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Posted by: @thelightcatalyst

understanding does not equate to consenting per se

One can read something like Plato's Republic, or Descartes' Meditations on First Philosophy, or Leibniz's Monadology, or any of a countless number of other philosophical works. Now, these writings were the result of the apparently honest effort by these writers to try to understand reality, or certain aspects of it, and to explain these efforts to others. Despite the apparent honesty of these efforts, however, they were each writing in pre-scientific times, with a real understanding of the world which is often dwarfed by that of the scientifically literate layman today, and thus their writings all contained false premises, false conclusions -- again despite their apparently honest efforts aimed at understanding reality. Their efforts, despite their errors and scientific misunderstandings, remains somewhat relevant to the modern intellectual precisely because of the honest intellectual effort behind them, and the beauty of the honest reasoning they contain.

The Armageddon Conspiracy books, on the other hand, while having been written in a scientifically enlightened age, are NOT an honest attempt at understanding reality, but are DISHONEST intention of trying to FOOL people into believing in all sorts of complete anti-scientific garbage. These are NOT beautiful examples of honest reasoning, but are UGLY examples of deception and DISHONEST reasoning. No person of intellectual integrity, @lightcatalyst, would EVER suggest that one should seek out ANY sort of intellectually valid refutation of ONE system of non-scientific mysticism (such as the Abrahamic religions, as you mentioned) by employing ANOTHER system of non-scientific mysticism (such as the intentionally deceptive/dishonest Armageddon Conspiracy books). This would be akin to trying to refute Hindu anti-scientific creation myths via Ken Ham's anti-scientific "Answers from Genesis" and creations myths which it accepts as factual, rather than by reading scientific accounts of cosmology, geology, evolution, and related subjects. It would be like trying to refute mystical ideas of disease as being due to evil spirits or bad vapors by reading volumes of L. Ron Hubbard's anti-scientific Dianetics and Scientology garbage, rather than exploring relevant scientific ideas such as germ theory or genetics. Like "Answers from Genesis," or Dianetics and Scientology, and like so many other mystical systems from across the centuries, "The Armageddon Conspiracy" will find itself on the garbage heap of intellectual history, and if you, @lightcatalyst, are promoting them in any way, for any reason, you will find yourself on the wrong side of not only that intellectual history, but also of honesty and reason themselves.

Posted by: @thelightcatalyst

Also, since there are christians in my family, the jewish side refuted each line of the called NT vis-a-vis the called Old Testament - endeavor which can’t go that far if one does not master Hebrew and gematria.

The idea that any sort of valid refutation of the New Testament requires an understanding of either Hebrew of gematria (essentially mystical Jewish numerology) is absolutely ludicrous. It is NEVER necessary or even POSSIBLE to refute one false mystical system by invoking another. This is EXACTLY the type of "mystical rabbit hole" reasoning which is dishonestly encouraged and employed by the Armageddon Conspiracy. The fact that YOU have repeatedly been trying to promote their work, and to encourage such "mystical rabbit hole" reasoning (particularly here on Scionics, a bastion of intellectual honesty and empiricorationalism) exposes YOU as either a mystical fool (for falling for such nonsense) or as a dishonest actor who is here to promote the AC's nonsense (which would mark you as a different kind of fool). In either case, this is not the place for fools, or foolishness, or intellectual dishonest.

Posted by: @thelightcatalyst

With that I rest my case .

And with that, I find YOU (along with the anti-scientific AC garbage you keep trying to promote) "Guilty, as charged," of foolishness and of intellectual dishonesty. But it is not I that convict you, but your own words here.

Thanks for the clear and honest intentions throughout your lines. 
I’ll start by your conclusion. As said elsewhere, one of my mottos is, “understanding does not equate to consenting per se”. By that, mind you, I mean that series appealed to my questioning and curiosity; thus my inquiring.
I’d rather stick with some knowledge passed down from mouth to ear related to the faculties of the subconscious mind in the guise of mysticism. I’ll leave that to some Fraternities you may or not may of. Also, since there are christians in my family, the jewish side refuted each line of the called NT vis-a-vis the called Old Testament - endeavor which can’t go that far if one does not master Hebrew and gematria. But that would be leaning on a dichotomy. Because apart from theuniversal laws, sadly, abrahamic religions have become piece of the same cloth.
 I just believe that we are extensions from the Primary Source, and we’re moving towards its likeness, our Higher-Self and Selves. 

With that I rest my case .

Posted by: @thelightcatalyst

Never mind The Armageddon Conspiracy itself. I’d meant the rest of their series, mainly debunking the lies of Abrahamic religions

The problem with this is that the Armageddon Conspiracy tries to debunk the mysticism/falsity inherent in the Abrahamic religions by promoting mysticisms/falsities of their own, some of which I have listed in my first (and rather long) reply earlier in this thread.

The very best way to debunk the Abrahamic religions, and all mysticisms wherever they are found, and whatever their specific claims are, is NOT with more mysticism or lies, but with TRUTH or FACTS which are completely consistent with REASON and REALITY.

So...you want REALLY good arguments against Abrahamism? Well, science completely debunks Genesis, in terms of the processes which lead to the creation of the world and the universe, and all the things it contains, including life and humans, in terms of the time required to create these things, and in terms of the order they were created. Noah and his flood are also debunked by the geological record.

Furthermore, such important foundational events, such as Passover for the Jews and the very existence of Jesus Christ (as related by the Bible) are also quite easily provably false based upon historical/archeological grounds. If the Biblical story of 10 plagues, culminating in the death of every first born Egyptian male (while all the first born male Jews were spared, or "passed over, by the Angel of Death") were historically true, i.e., if it actually happened, then this would have been an event of such epic and horrific proportions (literally of Biblical proportions) that it would certainly have been recorded in Egyptian history. But there is not a word of this anywhere in history, or in the archeological record. Similarly, there is no record of 40 years of wandering through the desert (to get to a place which was actually only a few days away on foot). The Jewish Exodus and the Passover which (according to the Bible) preceded it simply never happened. They're just made up stories.

As you said you are an ex-Orthodox Jew, you may not be aware that there is a story related to the birth of Jesus, which is somewhat parallel to the mythical events of Passover, "The Massacre of the Innocents." In this story, King Herod, upon hearing about the impending birth of Jesus, supposedly prophesied to be "The King of the Jews," was afraid that the existence of Jesus would threaten his own power or status as king. For this reason (according to the Biblical New Testament Book of Mathew) Herod supposedly ordered the killing of all males under the age of two in and around Bethlehem, around the time of Jesus' supposed birth. This is an event which, had it happened, would have been so large and would have been considered so horrible that it could not have escaped being part of the historical record of both the Jews and the Romans. But there is simply not a word about it anywhere in the historical or archeological record.

So, again, if you are interested in books which debunk the Abrahamic religions, you would be MUCH better off with actual science and history books, and the actual facts which they contain. Just one or two properly chosen science/history books would contain more disconfirming evidence of Abrahamism than are contained in the hundreds of mystical, false and dishonest Armageddon Conspiracy books, and without forcing one to slog through countless pages full of false, mystical nonsense. If your goal is truly to reject mysticism, why would you ever support or promote such purveyors of mysticism as the writers of the Armageddon Conspiracy books? Your time and money would be much more productively and efficiently used by supporting and learning actual scientific and historical facts, from honest and authoritative sources, and not supporting or trying to "learn" from books full of intentional deceptions and mysticisms.